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Hi all,
This is my posting on this.
I would say that the essential difference between Darwinian evolution
and the evolution of memes is that in Genetic evolution there is no
conscious choice by the participating players (the subjects who are
evolving) while there is definitely conscious or subconscious involved
choosing whether a meme is imitated or for that matter whether a new meme
is created, sort of Lamarckian so to say. In that way evolution of memes
are influenced by the aesthetic values of the participating humans (not
the memes themselves,essentially remaining Darwinian).
The replicating elements of culture/language/gesture ie memes cannot be
seperated from their symbolic meaning which is important for the humans
involved in making their choice. So I would coin the term evolutionary
semiotics for the study evolution of symbols in cultures.
Humans make choices whereas genes get selected. memes get selected by
the people who mime/choose amongst memes. Therefore the human choice
values and aesthetics cannot be wished away.
Anything capable of getting copied (not necessarily replicated) with
scope for selection and variation can evolve.Just as the evolution of
genes and organism are simulataneous but seperate processes we must talk
in terms of memes and culture.
genes are to organism what memes are to culture
The basic requirement of evolution is information with a meaning (which is
contextual) whether the information is carried by DNA, RNA, magnetic/optic
media or human memory or papyrus scrolls.
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Dr Able Lawrence MD
Senior Resident
Clinical Immunology
SGPGIMS, Lucknow
able@sgpgi.ac.in
Ph +91 98390 70247
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