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----- Original Message -----
From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: Determinism
> On 11 Apr 2001, at 12:31, Aaron Agassi wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robin Faichney" <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
> > To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: Determinism
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 12:45:41AM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The only way two scenarios can be absolutely identical is if you
> > > > > look at one scenario twice. In which case, the same decision
> > > > > would be made.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope you don't think that's a glib or tricksy answer. I mean
> > > > > it absolutely seriously. If everything is the same, then
> > > > > everything will be the same.
> > > > >
> > > > But the same situation cannot ever recur; even memory of the first
> > > > would be too much, as would the simple molecular changes of
> > > > ourselves and our environs. The impossible is an illegitimate
> > > > hypothetical.
> > >
> > > If you'd been reading to understand, rather than skimming to argue,
> > > you'd have seen that's exactly what I meant.
> > >
> > But he assumes that limits to simulation must also then apply to
> > initial reality!
> >
> No, I'm saying that since nonrepeatable situations (such as
> historical ones repeated absolutely exactly) cannot by definition be
> rerun, it is a logically misplaced article of faith to assume any
> result whatsoever from such impossible trials.
The thought experiment is merely an illustration.
> > > --
> > > Robin Faichney
> > > Get your Meta-Information from http://www.ii01.org
> > > (CAUTION: contains philosophy, may cause heads to spin)
> > >
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