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On 12 Apr 2001, at 0:44, Aaron Agassi wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Determinism
>
>
> > On 11 Apr 2001, at 12:31, Aaron Agassi wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Robin Faichney" <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
> > > To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:18 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Determinism
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 12:45:41AM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The only way two scenarios can be absolutely identical is if
> > > > > > you look at one scenario twice. In which case, the same
> > > > > > decision would be made.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope you don't think that's a glib or tricksy answer. I
> > > > > > mean it absolutely seriously. If everything is the same,
> > > > > > then everything will be the same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > But the same situation cannot ever recur; even memory of the
> > > > > first would be too much, as would the simple molecular changes
> > > > > of ourselves and our environs. The impossible is an
> > > > > illegitimate hypothetical.
> > > >
> > > > If you'd been reading to understand, rather than skimming to
> > > > argue, you'd have seen that's exactly what I meant.
> > > >
> > > But he assumes that limits to simulation must also then apply to
> > > initial reality!
> > >
> > No, I'm saying that since nonrepeatable situations (such as
> > historical ones repeated absolutely exactly) cannot by definition be
> > rerun, it is a logically misplaced article of faith to assume any
> > result whatsoever from such impossible trials.
>
> The thought experiment is merely an illustration.
>
One that fails to achieve it's purpose. Bad analogies can fail to
adhere to their object, or fail to meet the test of possibility.
> > > > --
> > > > Robin Faichney
> > > > Get your Meta-Information from http://www.ii01.org
> > > > (CAUTION: contains philosophy, may cause heads to spin)
> > > >
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