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On 11 Apr 2001, at 12:31, Aaron Agassi wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robin Faichney" <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Determinism
>
>
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 12:45:41AM -0500, joedees@bellsouth.net
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The only way two scenarios can be absolutely identical is if you
> > > > look at one scenario twice. In which case, the same decision
> > > > would be made.
> > > >
> > > > I hope you don't think that's a glib or tricksy answer. I mean
> > > > it absolutely seriously. If everything is the same, then
> > > > everything will be the same.
> > > >
> > > But the same situation cannot ever recur; even memory of the first
> > > would be too much, as would the simple molecular changes of
> > > ourselves and our environs. The impossible is an illegitimate
> > > hypothetical.
> >
> > If you'd been reading to understand, rather than skimming to argue,
> > you'd have seen that's exactly what I meant.
> >
> But he assumes that limits to simulation must also then apply to
> initial reality!
>
No, I'm saying that since nonrepeatable situations (such as
historical ones repeated absolutely exactly) cannot by definition be
rerun, it is a logically misplaced article of faith to assume any
result whatsoever from such impossible trials.
> > --
> > Robin Faichney
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