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On 11 Apr 2001, at 15:36, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 08:50:41AM -0400, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> >
> > I was also going to mention, backing up into memetics once again,
> > that it is with some nod towards determinism, i.e. the deterministic
> > facets of behavior, that some people embrace memetics at all...
>
> Of course. That's how it originated: to explain persistent patterns
> of behaviour that don't make genetic sense. The "pop" approach is to
> hope it will explain persistent behavioural patterns that are
> irrational, but that's misplaced, both because genetic behavioural
> tendencies are at least arational (sp?), if not irrational, and
> because rationality itself can be analysed in memetic terms.
>
> Personally, if anyone cares, what I'm here for is to investigate the
> relationship between objective (deterministic) and inter/subjective
> explanations of behaviour. I'm sorry if that sounds pretentious, but
> it's the simple (or maybe not so) truth. Anyway, as I see it,
> memetics is very clearly on the objective/deterministic side, when
> taken to its logical conclusion, though as Richard Brodie has shown,
> the concept can be used humanistically too.
>
People may be memetically predisposed by their genes or
memetically influenced by their environment without necessarily
being memetically hardwired or memetically determined. It's not
an all-or-nothing proposition.
> --
> Robin Faichney
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>
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