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Yes, they both clarified their earlier thoughts in later works. Remember
this is solely an issue of the definition of one word, not an argument over
the memetics model. In any case, it seems fitting to name things after the
people who invented them.
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Subject: Re: Labels for memes
On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 11:53:16PM -0800, Richard Brodie wrote:
> > memes in the head (sometimes called L-memes
> If, as it appears, the word "meme" must be muddied to include replicators
> other than mental information, and distinctions must be drawn (as they
> should be) among different kinds of cultural replicators, perhaps "D-meme"
> would be a better label for mental replicators, since Dawkins first
> published that definition for meme in The Extended Phenotype and Dennett
> elaborated on it beautifully in Darwin's Dangerous Idea.
Hi Richard. I think I told you before, but you may have forgotten,
in Consciousness Explained Dennett says explicitly that one phase of
the meme's existence is external to the mind/brain, in behaviour.
Of course, Dawkins was amiguous about this in The Selfish Gene, as
well. I'd say these waters _are_ muddy, already!
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