Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id GAA11597 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 29 Jan 2001 06:42:35 GMT X-Sender: rrecchia@mail.clarityconnect.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk From: Ray Recchia <rrecchia@mail.clarityconnect.com> Subject: Re: Memes and emotions Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:43:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1231371858-18399174@mail.clarityconnect.com> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
When I was a child I was taught that there were 5 taxonomic kingdoms -
bacteria,protozoa,plants,animals and fungi. Later, they decided they
decided certain organisms put in the same category as bacteria were much
different than their relatives, so they added another layer and we ended up
with Domains of Eucarya, Bacteria, and Archaea. With memes, I wonder
whether we can add yet another layer of living organism on top of Domains -
call it the Empires of Memes and Genes.
I like to think of humans as genetic organisms in symbiosis with memetic
organisms much like our ancestor protozoans that became the host for
mitochondrial bacteria.
At 02:25 AM 01/27/01 -0500, you wrote:
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>>From: Chris Taylor <Christopher.Taylor@man.ac.uk>
>>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>>Subject: Re: Memes and emotions
>>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:01:47 +0000
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>>It's the old view of the world (started with the Greeks and only really got
>>altered
>>by the Enlightenment-era French biologists such as Cuvier: There is a
>>hierarchy with
>>slime at the bottom and angels in heaven at the top; we come just below
>>angels (these
>>were religious people - angels exist [no joke!], and are better than
>>mortals), then
>>(roughly) animals, plants, mould and finally dirt (officially dead). This
>>is the
>>classic linearised classification system as adopted from the Greeks by
>>Christianity.
>>Linnaeus and Cuvier were instrumental in moving towards a more realistic
>>branched
>>'Tree of life', on the way to a modern view.
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>>I (flippantly) used the image because it assisted in the point I was trying
>>to make
>>that memes only work well in us (recombining parts of ideas), the next link
>>down the
>>great chain is where they can imitate well but not 'think' as we do, then
>>you get
>>down to individual learners who do not share experience (paralelling the
>>argument
>>about asexual clonal reproduction being far inferior to sexual), and
>>finally the
>>hard-wired often non-neural behaviour of simple organisms.
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>>Gotta go to a meeting - hope that covers it all!
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>Thanks for the explication. I also faintly remember the scala naturae.
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>Perhaps the 'tree of life' is likewise a misrepresentation of phylogenetic
>reality. Trees typically have long linear trunks with minimal adventitious
>branching before the crown is reached. A bush or shrub might be better, but
>with talk about horizontal transfer way back when, there's some possible
>early anastomoses or cobwebbing which complicates the bush even. This gets
>far beyond my comfort zone.
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>My main point is that I frown on scales, especially those crowning us, a
>mere twig with an overblown ego.
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