Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id TAA03521 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:27:22 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:00:38 +0100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: the conscious universe Message-ID: <20001007170038.B799@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <20001007103535.A501@reborntechnology.co.uk> <NBBBIIDKHCMGAIPMFFPJEEFAFIAA.richard@brodietech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <NBBBIIDKHCMGAIPMFFPJEEFAFIAA.richard@brodietech.com>; from richard@brodietech.com on Sat, Oct 07, 2000 at 07:49:53AM -0700 From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Sat, Oct 07, 2000 at 07:49:53AM -0700, Richard Brodie wrote:
> I don't mean to imply anything subjective with my use of the word "mental."
> The mind is a real, actual part of a human being (in my mind anyway).
I agree about the reality of the mind, but others do not. Subjective, for
me, does not mean "unreal", but for many it does. Dawkins and Dennett
are very keen on objectivity, and view memes as objective entities.
"Mental" does, I believe, imply "subjective", where that means not
"unreal", but associated with the subject, concerned with perceptions
rather than with what's "really out there", the object. Perceptions, are,
for me, IN THEIR OWN WAY as real as what's out there, but for Dennett they
are not. What I'm saying is that I really don't think Dennett would be
happy with "mental information", and I don't think you should talk about
the Dawkins/Dennett/Brodie definition, because there's no such beast.
They're interested in neural patterns, you're interested in mental ones.
To me, and others, these are different aspects of the same thing, but
I don't believe Dennett takes that view. Of course, you might know
otherwise, in which case I'll be happy to accept that I'm wrong.
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