Re: Criticisms of Blackmore's approach

From: Kenneth Van Oost (Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be)
Date: Sun Jun 11 2000 - 11:59:24 BST

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Mark M. Mills <mmills@htcomp.net>
    To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
    Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 4:37 PM
    Subject: Re: Criticisms of Blackmore's approach

    > I'm always somewhat puzzled when people use the word 'transmit' with
    regard
    > to memes. Replicate works better for me.
    >
    > If a meme is a 'signal,' like a radio signal, then transmission would be
    > appropriate. We don't understand radio signals in terms of populations,
    > though. Without a population perspective, how can one find an
    evolutionary
    > perspective? How can signals 'compete' and allow natural selection to
    > operate? I'm assuming you see an evolutionary role for memes.
    >
    > If a meme is a 'mental concept', then transmission is not
    > appropriate. Your parrot example demonstrates this. Clearly, there is no
    > 'transmission' of neural states or cognitive activity between parrot and
    > human. The sensual stimulation of a parrot saying E=M C squared is
    > appropriately isomorphic for human signal interpretation, but then we are
    > back to signal transmission.
    >
    > If a meme is an artifact, then perhaps the parrot is the meme (it was
    > trained by a human). Again, transmission is not an issue in your
    > example. The parrot doesn't go anywhere.

    In an aside;

    If a meme is not a ' natural object ', not a signal, not a mental concept,
    not an arifact...what is then a ' new meme ' !?
    Did we ever came up with a term for this !?

    If you don' t like (puzzled by) the word ' transmit ' regarding memes, how
    do you explain the term you use (replicating) concerning new memes !?
    What is here replicated !?
    Or did I miss something !?

    Thanks,

    Kenneth

    (I am, because we are)

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