Re: Criticisms of Blackmore's approach

From: Mark M. Mills (mmills@htcomp.net)
Date: Fri Jun 09 2000 - 15:37:35 BST

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    Raymond,

    At 08:42 PM 6/8/00 -0400, you wrote:
    >Imitation is probably the most basic means by which memes are transmitted
    >and likely the most common form of
    >memetic transmission in animals. For example, the using the stick trick to
    >get ants (or is it termites) in chimpanzees is transmitted by imitation. We
    >also see this in humans, as in the case of blacksmith or carpenter
    >transmitting his trade to an apprentice largely through the process of
    >imitation.

    I'm always somewhat puzzled when people use the word 'transmit' with regard
    to memes. Replicate works better for me.

    If a meme is a 'signal,' like a radio signal, then transmission would be
    appropriate. We don't understand radio signals in terms of populations,
    though. Without a population perspective, how can one find an evolutionary
    perspective? How can signals 'compete' and allow natural selection to
    operate? I'm assuming you see an evolutionary role for memes.

    If a meme is a 'mental concept', then transmission is not
    appropriate. Your parrot example demonstrates this. Clearly, there is no
    'transmission' of neural states or cognitive activity between parrot and
    human. The sensual stimulation of a parrot saying E=M C squared is
    appropriately isomorphic for human signal interpretation, but then we are
    back to signal transmission.

    If a meme is an artifact, then perhaps the parrot is the meme (it was
    trained by a human). Again, transmission is not an issue in your
    example. The parrot doesn't go anywhere.

    Can you describe the entity being transmitted? Can you then link the
    entity to natural selection?

    Mark

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