Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id WAA11641 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 8 May 2000 22:05:04 +0100 Message-ID: <00fa01bfb99e$1b45e500$03000004@r2z3h3> From: "Tyger" <void@internet-zahav.net.il> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> References: <200005062019.GAA19703@fep7.mail.ozemail.net> <3914A25C.1B6E9A95@mediaone.net> <004001bfb896$51c603c0$03000004@r2z3h3> <3916F239.98B31F7F@pacbell.net> <3916D369.93989449@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:05:28 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
hello again Chuck,
eIe think that your hunches are partially correct and partially biased,
Chuck.
you say some people just like to fool around with words, I have no argument
with that. the implication that it is of no value or that fooling around
with words is somehow derogative is a different issue. writers/poets and
even journalists are among the best word players the world has ever seen.
Granted that these humans stand generally as beacons of a vanguard in
advance of humanity at large.
concerning the tight subculture..:-) well what can I say to that, I believe
any group of humans, having enough contact as to be valuably appelated as a
group are in fact automatically a mini-micro or even nano- culture.:-) and
indeed will be biased to this or that direction. memetics should be the
science that studies propagation of ideas in culture. wehther it is a
sub-mini-nano etc. is a point to be disscussed separately. dont you agree?
Best,
Tyger eIe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Palson" <cpalson@mediaone.net>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
> In answer to my earlier promise to Tyger to look into it more, I agree
with Bill
> on this. The distinction is easily made by other phrases -- unless Bill
and I have
> mistaken the intended meaning. What remains to be explained, then, is why
the
> experiment works with some people. I have two hunches: 1) some people just
like to
> fool around with words more and easily get over the initial awkwardness of
using a
> new word; 2) a tight little subculture committed to experiment and proving
certain
> points they favor. What do you think, Tyger?
>
> Bill Spight wrote:
>
> > Dear Tyger,
> >
> > > meaning definition of eIe : eIe is a term used to designate the
reality I
> > > perceive, it is a combination of the " I" standing for self, in the
sense of
> > > core of reflection and eye, in the sense of the physical organ used to
apply
> > > the action of sight or vision. it differs from "I" in that <eIe>
emphasizes
> > > the fact that whatever follows is fundamentally and irreducebly
> > > subjective.
> >
> > It sounds a lot like what is conveyed by the phrase, "As I see
> > it."
> >
> > > Moreover for those interested in the semantics and semiotics of
> > > applicability of meaning I would add that eIe should be used when
> > > specifically meaning to negate the supposed alieness of the self to
its
> > > surrounding. thus in fact eIe can stand also for I the
> > > interconnected one.
> > >
> > > examples of possible usage:
> > > 1. I am that eIe am--- as dinstinct from I am that I am
> > > 2. eIe am love--- as distinct from I love.... (fill the blank)
> > > 3. eIe am anger--- as distinct from I am angry
> > >
> >
> > All of these sound like God is speaking.
> >
> > Besides, the distinctions are unclear.
> >
> > > It is our opinion that the usage of such a meme could add value to
> > > communication by being/or becoming an accepted form of taking full
> > > responsability for one's life.
> >
> > Taking full responsibility for one's life does not necessarily
> > improve communication. Cf. Sartre's Other.
> >
> > > Moreover it may by its irreducible
> > > subjectivity become an eIe opener.
> >
> > Other phrases which already accomplish much of what you want are,
> > "myself, (as) for me, IMO." In French, "pour moi," which echoes
> > Sartre's "pour soi."
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Bill
> >
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>
>
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