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hello Bill,
Good comments and to the point, I thank you.
some replies:
1. indeed eIe sounds a lot like "as I see it" but wouldnt you say that for a
writer/speaker, a word such as ,<eie> emphasizing the deliberate
articulation of a view, especially in matters or contexts in which the
subjective irreducible is primary could prove more efficient and even, lets
dare and say it, more beautiful?
2. you pointed out that the examples I gave sounded as if God is speaking
(well I couldnt agree more...;-) not with the God thing (being a
non-believer myself) but as eie see it, that is the exact point of the usage
of eie. eie signifies the irreducible and incommunicable totality of the
being using the word, hence the God-like attitude is already in the juice
(so to speak). Granted however that these examples may not be the best, I
shall labor to find others.
How about: "it is the understanding of eie that......." how does that sound?
Best of eIe,
Tyger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Spight" <bspight@pacbell.net>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
> Dear Tyger,
>
> > meaning definition of eIe : eIe is a term used to designate the reality
I
> > perceive, it is a combination of the " I" standing for self, in the
sense of
> > core of reflection and eye, in the sense of the physical organ used to
apply
> > the action of sight or vision. it differs from "I" in that <eIe>
emphasizes
> > the fact that whatever follows is fundamentally and irreducebly
> > subjective.
>
> It sounds a lot like what is conveyed by the phrase, "As I see
> it."
>
> > Moreover for those interested in the semantics and semiotics of
> > applicability of meaning I would add that eIe should be used when
> > specifically meaning to negate the supposed alieness of the self to its
> > surrounding. thus in fact eIe can stand also for I the
> > interconnected one.
> >
> > examples of possible usage:
> > 1. I am that eIe am--- as dinstinct from I am that I am
> > 2. eIe am love--- as distinct from I love.... (fill the blank)
> > 3. eIe am anger--- as distinct from I am angry
> >
>
> All of these sound like God is speaking.
>
> Besides, the distinctions are unclear.
>
> > It is our opinion that the usage of such a meme could add value to
> > communication by being/or becoming an accepted form of taking full
> > responsability for one's life.
>
> Taking full responsibility for one's life does not necessarily
> improve communication. Cf. Sartre's Other.
>
> > Moreover it may by its irreducible
> > subjectivity become an eIe opener.
>
> Other phrases which already accomplish much of what you want are,
> "myself, (as) for me, IMO." In French, "pour moi," which echoes
> Sartre's "pour soi."
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
>
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