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In answer to my earlier promise to Tyger to look into it more, I agree with Bill
on this. The distinction is easily made by other phrases -- unless Bill and I have
mistaken the intended meaning. What remains to be explained, then, is why the
experiment works with some people. I have two hunches: 1) some people just like to
fool around with words more and easily get over the initial awkwardness of using a
new word; 2) a tight little subculture committed to experiment and proving certain
points they favor. What do you think, Tyger?
Bill Spight wrote:
> Dear Tyger,
>
> > meaning definition of eIe : eIe is a term used to designate the reality I
> > perceive, it is a combination of the " I" standing for self, in the sense of
> > core of reflection and eye, in the sense of the physical organ used to apply
> > the action of sight or vision. it differs from "I" in that <eIe> emphasizes
> > the fact that whatever follows is fundamentally and irreducebly
> > subjective.
>
> It sounds a lot like what is conveyed by the phrase, "As I see
> it."
>
> > Moreover for those interested in the semantics and semiotics of
> > applicability of meaning I would add that eIe should be used when
> > specifically meaning to negate the supposed alieness of the self to its
> > surrounding. thus in fact eIe can stand also for I the
> > interconnected one.
> >
> > examples of possible usage:
> > 1. I am that eIe am--- as dinstinct from I am that I am
> > 2. eIe am love--- as distinct from I love.... (fill the blank)
> > 3. eIe am anger--- as distinct from I am angry
> >
>
> All of these sound like God is speaking.
>
> Besides, the distinctions are unclear.
>
> > It is our opinion that the usage of such a meme could add value to
> > communication by being/or becoming an accepted form of taking full
> > responsability for one's life.
>
> Taking full responsibility for one's life does not necessarily
> improve communication. Cf. Sartre's Other.
>
> > Moreover it may by its irreducible
> > subjectivity become an eIe opener.
>
> Other phrases which already accomplish much of what you want are,
> "myself, (as) for me, IMO." In French, "pour moi," which echoes
> Sartre's "pour soi."
>
> Best,
>
> Bill
>
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