Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id VAA11549 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 8 May 2000 21:54:05 +0100 Message-ID: <B6E47FBD3879D31192AD009027AC929C3688BD@NWTH-EXCHANGE> From: Bruce Jones <BruceJ@nwths.com> To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Subject: RE: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:58:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Let me see if I can put a different spin on this!!
If we take eie to be a new measurement tool for describing a document in
memetic terms than I see a possibility --- if the definition is expanded.
First my definition or interpretation of what is meant here:
EIE as a measurement of the use of I in a linguistic offering.
What is the transmissible and thus evolutionary characteristics of an I
statement both first person and second person?
1> First person uses of I: I am; I will; we will; we are; me; these are
examples -- not the entire list.
2> Second person of I: youse guys; y'all; them; they
If you use the definition of EIE above as a measurement of the "person" of a
document or slogan or philosophy then the importance and possibly the
transmissibility and viability of the statements may be determined.
"I ran the idea past a VP and it was approved." Definitely a self serving
meme of the eie type.
"You as a group will have to prove the concept before I accept it." An eie
meme that is both self serving and challenging.
"We manufacture the best widgets in the world." Again self serving but to a
group.
Which of these has the potential of becoming accepted into the general
linguistics of the target group? Which ones are able to express a general
meaning of acceptance? Which ones are going to be around a while?
Some -- the self serving -- will probably die quickly. Those that have
group cohesiveness will be around a while longer.
What I guess I am trying to do here is establish a rationale for the use of
eie as a memetic term. This will also establish for some of us, maybe, a
focal point for some relevant research into memes.
my $0.02
Bruce Jones
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Palson [SMTP:cpalson@mediaone.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:47 AM
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
>
> In answer to my earlier promise to Tyger to look into it more, I agree
> with Bill
> on this. The distinction is easily made by other phrases -- unless Bill
> and I have
> mistaken the intended meaning. What remains to be explained, then, is why
> the
> experiment works with some people. I have two hunches: 1) some people just
> like to
> fool around with words more and easily get over the initial awkwardness of
> using a
> new word; 2) a tight little subculture committed to experiment and proving
> certain
> points they favor. What do you think, Tyger?
>
> Bill Spight wrote:
>
>
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