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I just saw the points you made Bruce, and they seem exciting and to the
point.
so if I understand you correctly you have mutated the original meaning
intended into a completly different meaning ? one which will put eie as a
focal method of measurement of self-serving=ness of a given paper or
satement?
I dont know if you have designed this, but it appears to me that you
stumbled here upon a very significant and maybe highly relevant aspect of
memetics. namely that we may use the concept <eie> as as designation for the
relative evolutionary impact of a subjective statement.
I didnt think about this before, but your proposition makes sense.
could it be that eie should be the very aspect of memes,some of us have been
looking for. what I mean is, maybe it is possible to take the meme-bank and
dissect it to its <eie> components.?
what do you think?
in any case I think that the very fact of the mutation occuring in the word
<eie> is quite what I would have expected it to be, not the direction it
takes, but the rate of mutability.
best,
Tyger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Jones" <BruceJ@nwths.com>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 10:58 PM
Subject: RE: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
> Let me see if I can put a different spin on this!!
> If we take eie to be a new measurement tool for describing a document in
> memetic terms than I see a possibility --- if the definition is expanded.
>
> First my definition or interpretation of what is meant here:
> EIE as a measurement of the use of I in a linguistic offering.
>
> What is the transmissible and thus evolutionary characteristics of an I
> statement both first person and second person?
>
> 1> First person uses of I: I am; I will; we will; we are; me; these are
> examples -- not the entire list.
> 2> Second person of I: youse guys; y'all; them; they
>
> If you use the definition of EIE above as a measurement of the "person" of
a
> document or slogan or philosophy then the importance and possibly the
> transmissibility and viability of the statements may be determined.
>
> "I ran the idea past a VP and it was approved." Definitely a self serving
> meme of the eie type.
> "You as a group will have to prove the concept before I accept it." An
eie
> meme that is both self serving and challenging.
> "We manufacture the best widgets in the world." Again self serving but to
a
> group.
>
> Which of these has the potential of becoming accepted into the general
> linguistics of the target group? Which ones are able to express a general
> meaning of acceptance? Which ones are going to be around a while?
>
> Some -- the self serving -- will probably die quickly. Those that have
> group cohesiveness will be around a while longer.
>
> What I guess I am trying to do here is establish a rationale for the use
of
> eie as a memetic term. This will also establish for some of us, maybe, a
> focal point for some relevant research into memes.
>
> my $0.02
>
> Bruce Jones
>
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