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Bruce Jones wrote:
> Let me see if I can put a different spin on this!!
> If we take eie to be a new measurement tool
I am totally lost here. I thought you started with just trying to invent a new
word that would express a new concept of relationship. Now you tell me it's a
measurement tool. Help!
> for describing a document in
> memetic terms than I see a possibility --- if the definition is expanded.
>
> First my definition or interpretation of what is meant here:
> EIE as a measurement of the use of I in a linguistic offering.
>
> What is the transmissible and thus evolutionary characteristics of an I
> statement both first person and second person?
>
> 1> First person uses of I: I am; I will; we will; we are; me; these are
> examples -- not the entire list.
> 2> Second person of I: youse guys; y'all; them; they
>
> If you use the definition of EIE above as a measurement of the "person" of a
> document or slogan or philosophy then the importance and possibly the
> transmissibility and viability of the statements may be determined.
>
> "I ran the idea past a VP and it was approved." Definitely a self serving
> meme of the eie type.
> "You as a group will have to prove the concept before I accept it." An eie
> meme that is both self serving and challenging.
> "We manufacture the best widgets in the world." Again self serving but to a
> group.
>
> Which of these has the potential of becoming accepted into the general
> linguistics of the target group? Which ones are able to express a general
> meaning of acceptance? Which ones are going to be around a while?
>
> Some -- the self serving -- will probably die quickly. Those that have
> group cohesiveness will be around a while longer.
>
> What I guess I am trying to do here is establish a rationale for the use of
> eie as a memetic term. This will also establish for some of us, maybe, a
> focal point for some relevant research into memes.
>
> my $0.02
>
> Bruce Jones
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chuck Palson [SMTP:cpalson@mediaone.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:47 AM
> > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
> >
> > In answer to my earlier promise to Tyger to look into it more, I agree
> > with Bill
> > on this. The distinction is easily made by other phrases -- unless Bill
> > and I have
> > mistaken the intended meaning. What remains to be explained, then, is why
> > the
> > experiment works with some people. I have two hunches: 1) some people just
> > like to
> > fool around with words more and easily get over the initial awkwardness of
> > using a
> > new word; 2) a tight little subculture committed to experiment and proving
> > certain
> > points they favor. What do you think, Tyger?
> >
> > Bill Spight wrote:
> >
> >
>
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