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Tyger wrote:
> hello again Chuck,
>
> eIe think that your hunches are partially correct and partially biased,
> Chuck.
> you say some people just like to fool around with words, I have no argument
> with that. the implication that it is of no value or that fooling around
> with words is somehow derogative is a different issue. writers/poets and
> even journalists are among the best word players the world has ever seen.
And I grant you that word play is useful. I never wanted to say it had no value.
In fact, part of its value comes from #2. It's not just ANY group that develops
cohesion. Some fragment apart. But having a secret language is often used to
emphasize the us/them dichotomy and intensify group cohesion. People also do
this with food where the biology of it gets quite interesting.
But in all of this, I must admit that I can't quite see how this meme will help
understanding - it just seems to awkward, and I think there are already existing
synonyms.
>
> Granted that these humans stand generally as beacons of a vanguard in
> advance of humanity at large.
> concerning the tight subculture..:-) well what can I say to that, I believe
> any group of humans, having enough contact as to be valuably appelated as a
> group are in fact automatically a mini-micro or even nano- culture.:-) and
> indeed will be biased to this or that direction. memetics should be the
> science that studies propagation of ideas in culture. wehther it is a
> sub-mini-nano etc. is a point to be disscussed separately. dont you agree?
N o - because the size of the group can be quite relevant to the means used.
>
>
> Best,
> Tyger eIe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Palson" <cpalson@mediaone.net>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 4:47 PM
> Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
>
> > In answer to my earlier promise to Tyger to look into it more, I agree
> with Bill
> > on this. The distinction is easily made by other phrases -- unless Bill
> and I have
> > mistaken the intended meaning. What remains to be explained, then, is why
> the
> > experiment works with some people. I have two hunches: 1) some people just
> like to
> > fool around with words more and easily get over the initial awkwardness of
> using a
> > new word; 2) a tight little subculture committed to experiment and proving
> certain
> > points they favor. What do you think, Tyger?
> >
> > Bill Spight wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Tyger,
> > >
> > > > meaning definition of eIe : eIe is a term used to designate the
> reality I
> > > > perceive, it is a combination of the " I" standing for self, in the
> sense of
> > > > core of reflection and eye, in the sense of the physical organ used to
> apply
> > > > the action of sight or vision. it differs from "I" in that <eIe>
> emphasizes
> > > > the fact that whatever follows is fundamentally and irreducebly
> > > > subjective.
> > >
> > > It sounds a lot like what is conveyed by the phrase, "As I see
> > > it."
> > >
> > > > Moreover for those interested in the semantics and semiotics of
> > > > applicability of meaning I would add that eIe should be used when
> > > > specifically meaning to negate the supposed alieness of the self to
> its
> > > > surrounding. thus in fact eIe can stand also for I the
> > > > interconnected one.
> > > >
> > > > examples of possible usage:
> > > > 1. I am that eIe am--- as dinstinct from I am that I am
> > > > 2. eIe am love--- as distinct from I love.... (fill the blank)
> > > > 3. eIe am anger--- as distinct from I am angry
> > > >
> > >
> > > All of these sound like God is speaking.
> > >
> > > Besides, the distinctions are unclear.
> > >
> > > > It is our opinion that the usage of such a meme could add value to
> > > > communication by being/or becoming an accepted form of taking full
> > > > responsability for one's life.
> > >
> > > Taking full responsibility for one's life does not necessarily
> > > improve communication. Cf. Sartre's Other.
> > >
> > > > Moreover it may by its irreducible
> > > > subjectivity become an eIe opener.
> > >
> > > Other phrases which already accomplish much of what you want are,
> > > "myself, (as) for me, IMO." In French, "pour moi," which echoes
> > > Sartre's "pour soi."
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
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> >
>
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