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On 17 Aug 2001, at 21:46, Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
> > On 16 Aug 2001, at 20:48, Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
> > > > << My first steps in memetics were inspired by the notion of the
> > > > morphic model. In a sense you can 1_ switch memes for morphic
> > > > fields and vice versa and 2_ see memes as the neurological
> > > > outcome of the working of morphic fields.
> Joe wrote,
> > Memes do not issue from the dead vibrations of long gone
> > progenitors and travel down an ethereal or astral hall to inform the
> > shape of progeny; they are semantic (meaningful) patterns which are
> > communicated from others via showing, telling or writing, and only
> > the third of these can come from the dead, and it does not possess
> > resonant qualities, whatever they are, except insofar as writer and
> > reader must share a common symbol system or code (language) which
> > must be learned before it can be employed, and the carrier of the
> > code must be both actionably efficacious (the writing of the
> > transmitter) and perceptually registerable (the reading of the
> > receiver).
>
> << The hypothesis of formative causation tells us that organisms or
> morphic units at all levels of complexity are organized by morphic
> fields. Replace morphic fields by memes and what you get, The
> hypothesis that organisms or morphic units at all levels of complexity
> are organized by morphic fields, which are themselves influenced and
> stabilized by morphic resonance from all previous similar morphic
> units.
>
> A morphic units is than an organism, a human, a memetic individual,
> morphic fields are than meme- complexes, and the notion of morphic
> resonance can be replaced by (specific) memetic- lineages.
>
> In the cycle of ideas it is stated that Thoughtforms give rise to
> Memes which are themselves the bias of Paradigms which " give" info
> for the formative causation to occur. If that is not clear I will try
> to draw the diagram. The term morphic field includes morphogenetic,
> behavioural, social, cultural and mental fields.
>
> Morphic fields are shaped and stabilized by morphic resonance of
> previous similar morphic units, which were under the influence of
> fields of the same kind. They consequently contain a kind of
> cumulative memory and tend to become increasingly habitual. IMO,
> memetic.
>
It simply doesn't fly, for one simple and irrefutable reason; morphic
resonance freaks claim that transmission occurs in the absence of
comminication or contact between sender and receiver, a situation
that no one would ever claim for memes. This demarks the
boundary between reasonable and un.
>
> Best,
>
> Kenneth
>
> ( I am, because we are) being(s) of form
>
>
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