Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id UAA13172 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:05:48 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c12755$5be014c0$1b9ebed4@default> From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> References: <3B7C0874.30356.2923F4@localhost> Subject: Re: Logic Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:46:00 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
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From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
> On 16 Aug 2001, at 20:48, Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
> > > << My first steps in memetics were inspired by the notion of the
> > > morphic model. In a sense you can 1_ switch memes for morphic fields
> > > and vice versa and 2_ see memes as the neurological outcome of the
> > > working of morphic fields.
Joe wrote,
> Memes do not issue from the dead vibrations of long gone
> progenitors and travel down an ethereal or astral hall to inform the
> shape of progeny; they are semantic (meaningful) patterns which
> are communicated from others via showing, telling or writing, and
> only the third of these can come from the dead, and it does not
> possess resonant qualities, whatever they are, except insofar as
> writer and reader must share a common symbol system or code
> (language) which must be learned before it can be employed, and
> the carrier of the code must be both actionably efficacious (the
> writing of the transmitter) and perceptually registerable (the reading
> of the receiver).
<< The hypothesis of formative causation tells us that organisms or
morphic units at all levels of complexity are organized by morphic fields.
Replace morphic fields by memes and what you get,
The hypothesis that organisms or morphic units at all levels of complexity
are organized by morphic fields, which are themselves influenced and
stabilized by morphic resonance from all previous similar morphic units.
A morphic units is than an organism, a human, a memetic individual,
morphic fields are than meme- complexes, and the notion of morphic
resonance can be replaced by (specific) memetic- lineages.
In the cycle of ideas it is stated that Thoughtforms give rise to Memes
which are themselves the bias of Paradigms which " give" info for the
formative causation to occur.
If that is not clear I will try to draw the diagram.
The term morphic field includes morphogenetic, behavioural, social,
cultural and mental fields.
Morphic fields are shaped and stabilized by morphic resonance of previous
similar morphic units, which were under the influence of fields of the
same kind. They consequently contain a kind of cumulative memory
and tend to become increasingly habitual.
IMO, memetic.
Best,
Kenneth
( I am, because we are) being(s) of form
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