Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id JAA15924 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:57:09 +0100 From: <joedees@bellsouth.net> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 03:59:38 -0500 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Determinism Message-ID: <3AD133AA.6664.BBCD42@localhost> In-reply-to: <20010405083612.A986@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <013f01c0bd6b$21682e80$5eaefea9@rcn.com>; from agassi@erols.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 08:55:38PM -0400 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On 5 Apr 2001, at 8:36, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 08:55:38PM -0400, Aaron Agassi wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Free choices being subjective, then, do not
> > > > > > > > > > contradict with
> > > > > > objective
> > > > > > > > > > determinism.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You got it!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now all we have to do is get it clear that
> > > > > > > > > subjectivity is not
> > > > > > generally
> > > > > > > > > inferior (or superior) to objectivity.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What ever are you talking about?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again, I have to spell it out: despite being subjective,
> > > > > > > freedom
> > is
> > > > just
> > > > > > > as real as -- something real.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Where does superiority or inferiority come into it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Illusions are generally considered inferior to real phenomena.
> > > > >
> > > > I don't understand.
> > >
> > > Don't you prefer reality over dealing with illusions?
> > >
> > Preference is another question.
>
> I don't think it's entirely rational either, but you'll find there's
> quite a widespread preference for objectivity over subjectivity.
>
Which is quite strange, considering that objectivity is unattainable;
the best we can do is intersubjective agreement.
> --
> Robin Faichney
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