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From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 4:37 AM
Subject: RE: Determinism
> On 5 Apr 2001, at 12:12, Vincent Campbell wrote:
>
> > <I confess that I find your implication of freedom as sheer
> > perversity flying
> > > in the face of better judgement, the more disturbing. And I may even
> > > be forced to concede the possibility. But what kind of freedom is
> > > that? Is there nothing better?>
> > >
> > I'm not suggesting it's an ideal by any means, only questioning the
> > certainty with which one must pursue the correct decision, but Robin's
> > explained the context of the discussion for me.
> >
> > Vincent
> >
> There is also the possibility of multiple optimum solutions. The
> assumption that there can only be one optimum solution to any
> problem is an incorrect one. For instance, there are two perfectly
> good sets of values that solve any given quadratic equation.
> Also, when Neo realizes he's the One, and has his perfect
> knowledge of the Matrix, it gives him greatly increased freedom
> within it,
Yes, but that movie was so predictable!
>and I do not see where that matrix omniscience
> determines his future actions. Remember that the deterministic
> Oracle told him that he was NOT the One (although, to be fair, she
> DID say that he was waiting for another life, and it WAS only after
> he 'arose' from the dead' in the hall that he came into full
> possession of his powers).
> >
> >
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