Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id SAA01140 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:58:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:52:08 +0100 To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: Determinism Message-ID: <20010404185208.B1269@reborntechnology.co.uk> References: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745D64@inchna.stir.ac.uk> <20010404165201.B551@reborntechnology.co.uk> <012d01c0bd23$20d970c0$5eaefea9@rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <012d01c0bd23$20d970c0$5eaefea9@rcn.com>; from agassi@erols.com on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:20:13PM -0400 From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk> Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:20:13PM -0400, Aaron Agassi wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:33:34PM +0100, Vincent Campbell wrote:
> > > That might negate my freedom, but surely it enhances yours?
> >
> > If what we're discussing is determinism, then the point is that, if
> > you were perfectly knowable, then determinism would be true (of you,
> > at least).
> >
> > However, I also go along with Aaron in saying that if I'm omniscient
> > then I always know what the best course of action is and I have no choice
> > but to take that course.
> >
> > You are free because you are not perfectly knowable, and I am free
> > because I'm uncertain.
> >
> > (Actually, being *basically* similar, we're both free for both reasons.)
> >
> Yes, freedom is subjective.
>
> Again, what is uncertainty, except imperfect knowledge?
Who ever said it was anything else? What is your problem?
> Mythic
> Indeterminacy, after all, is quite another matter.
Which is why, as I've already said quite clearly, it's irrelevant.
(Ignoring that first word as incomprehensible in this context.)
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