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<< Hi Able,
My post crossed yours mentioning you should read Pirzig.
Regards,
Kenneth
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr Able Lawrence <able@sgpgi.ac.in>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: Choice and values
>
> You are right Kenneth. I was inspired by `Lila` by the same author into
> thinking about `Values`. But Pirzig talks about `quality` which is too
> impersonal. I defined value as a measure of quality (quality as defined by
> Pirzig) Value exists only where there is choice. It exists in our mind and
> is notional. Value is subjective whereas quality is not. Everything has
> quality. Quality standards are arbitrary unless we bring in `value` as a
> measure.
>
> I havnt read `Zen` but has bought it with the purpose of reading. I
> was definitely inspired by Pirzig
>
> Able
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
>
> > Hi Vincent,
> >
> > For interesting definitions about, Value, Quality, Good and Bad see
Pirsig,
> > Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.
> >
> > Kenneth
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
> > To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 3:46 PM
> > Subject: RE: Choice and values
> >
> >
> > > <We choose according to our values. I define values as a measure of
> > > good
> > > > and bad. Since we make choices, we classify things atleast
relatively
> > as
> > > > good and bad. Value is therefore the measure of quality.>
> > > >
> > > Define 'good', 'bad' and 'quality'. Are values idiosyncratically
> > > produced, culturally produced, or even genetically produced? If it's
> > either
> > > or both of the latter choice needn't, arguably doesn't, come into it.
> > >
> > > <Of course our values are also determined by memes. Values are
> > > > psychological entities which get reflected in our behaviour when we
make
> > > > choices.>
> > > >
> > > Determined by memes- where's the choice there then?
> > >
> > > Vincent
> > >
> > > >
> > >
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