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You are right Kenneth. I was inspired by `Lila` by the same author into
thinking about `Values`. But Pirzig talks about `quality` which is too
impersonal. I defined value as a measure of quality (quality as defined by
Pirzig) Value exists only where there is choice. It exists in our mind and
is notional. Value is subjective whereas quality is not. Everything has
quality. Quality standards are arbitrary unless we bring in `value` as a
measure.
I havnt read `Zen` but has bought it with the purpose of reading. I
was definitely inspired by Pirzig
Able
On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
> Hi Vincent,
>
> For interesting definitions about, Value, Quality, Good and Bad see Pirsig,
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.
>
> Kenneth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 3:46 PM
> Subject: RE: Choice and values
>
>
> > <We choose according to our values. I define values as a measure of
> > good
> > > and bad. Since we make choices, we classify things atleast relatively
> as
> > > good and bad. Value is therefore the measure of quality.>
> > >
> > Define 'good', 'bad' and 'quality'. Are values idiosyncratically
> > produced, culturally produced, or even genetically produced? If it's
> either
> > or both of the latter choice needn't, arguably doesn't, come into it.
> >
> > <Of course our values are also determined by memes. Values are
> > > psychological entities which get reflected in our behaviour when we make
> > > choices.>
> > >
> > Determined by memes- where's the choice there then?
> >
> > Vincent
> >
> > >
> >
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