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From: Mark Mills <mmills@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Thinking Like a Chimp
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> Wade,
>
> Interesting stuff.
>
> At 09:26 AM 11/16/00 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >After
> >all, he concludes, "In every critical juncture, after the chimp has
> >learned something and we gave him the option to tell us, 'are you really
> >reasoning about seeing or are you using some surface behavior cue?', at
> >every case, they have consistently said, 'What are you talking about? We
> >are using what is there. We're using what is in the world.'"
>
> I wonder what would happen if you asked a 3 year old human the same
> question. Considering conversations with my 3 year old grandson, I think
> he would tell me the same thing. I doubt I could distinguish 'reasoning
> about seeing' for him.
>
> Perhaps human and chimp neurology is the same, but the longer human
> development period extends abilities. Cast in memetic terms, perhaps the
> genetic difference (between chimp and human neural systems) is only a
> change in the length of development. The additional cognitive abilities
> are additional neural memes stuffed into the brain.
>
An increase in quantity of nodes and interconnections, and thus
complexity, leads to the emergence of new qualities and
capacities, such as explicit self- and other-reference and
spatiotemporal self- and other-situation (past(then)-present(now)-
future, here-there) and self- and other-consciousness, when
recursion happens (breaching the Godelian threshhold), as I've
maintained all along.
>
> Mark
>
> http://www.htcomp.net/markmills
>
>
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