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From: Robin Faichney <robin@reborntechnology.co.uk>
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: Re: memetics and knowledge
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> On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 10:33:47PM -0500, Joe E. Dees wrote:
> > Actually, when people first hear the multiplication tables, they have
> > trouble with them; it takes a bit of practice and attention to 'get
> > them down', just as riding a bike takes a while before one masters
> > balance. However, in both cases, once it is routinized, the skill
> > becomes automatic, requiring practically no conscious attention to
> > exercise.
>
> And what does that tell us about whether all knowledge can be verbalized?
>
All knowledge can be verbalized to some degree; you were
maintaining that 'mystical knowledge' could not be verbalized AT
ALL, and yet it somehow qualified as knowledge. I answer that
there is no special knowledge class reserved for mystics, yogis,
shamans and secret chiefs; if they know it, they can say it to
some degree, just like anyone else - an english or science teacher
or a driving instructor - can. You seem to be putting forth the
absurd proposition that if one cannot explain something so
perfectly to everyone that they all epiphanically grok it in its
fullness immediately, then it cannot be verbalized at all, while I
answer, quite reasonably, that all knowledge worthy of the
appelation falls into the world of concrete learning and
experience between such irreal extremes.
> --
> Robin Faichney
>
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