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From: <LJayson@aol.com>
Len here is part 2
You wrote,
> D. As opposed to the selfplex, all memes and memeplexes come
> from the environment.
<< Not necessarily, like I said, take the solipsistic view and meme(plexes)
can
start up from their own case, ex- hoypothesi.
In that respect, we can say unconscient, and therefor we must assume that
memes work in a solipsistic way. They start up from their own case just for
the purpose to propagate themselves further without regarding if the meme-
tic lineage is good or bad for their host_that is you !!
However, your unique selfplex is a result of memes acting solipsisticly,
there-
for, your unique selfplex is an illusion and you may think that you affect
these
memes but it is the other way round, these memes affect how you expe-
rience yourself, that is indeed by modifying subjective emotion etc. >>
You wrote,
> E. The human mind is a massirve repository of memes and
> memeplexes. They control, motivate, and drive the human to
> activity for the sole purpose of replication, always consistent
> with, and modified by, the individual's own selfplex.
<< Not necessarily consistent, people do strange things which are not always
reduceble to aspects of the selplex f. e I think at " declaring somebody to
be of unsound mind. " Committing murder in such circumstances is not con-
sistent with somebody selfplex I think. By the way, there is always
discussion
possible...>>
> Hi Ken,
> I believe that this A-F comes a bit closer to what you have in mind.
> My greatest problem is fitting in solipsistic viewpoints to
> what I've so far written. Or, should we leave well enough alone
> and get into the topic of solipism later in the paper? It would
> first need your definition of solipism and then we could weave it into
> the memetic points that we've already articulated.
> What do you think?
Len fitting in solipsistic viewpoints is not the problem I think, it is quit
easy...
fit in an egoistic line of thinking in the way you think...place yourself in
the
space which memes usually take, and see the world through their eyes.
With the remark that yoy have to think for each selective meme(plex) sepe-
rately, you have to think for each memetic lineage created. Not easy, I can
't do it either...I am not a expert, but maby being an individualist helps
me, I don 't
know...
The problem as I see it, is to determine a definition of solipsism in
association
with meme()(tics) between the both of us...
Mine definition would be...solipsism is the conception wherein reality
equals
somebody 's own ( memetic) existence.
I am not sure if that solves the problem...
By the way, point G to L...I didn 't get to it...please wait....
Best regards,
Kenneth
( I ma, because we are)
>
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