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From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
To: <LJayson@aol.com>
Cc: memetics <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Part One --- Outline -- A-F revision one.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <LJayson@aol.com>
>
> Len here is part 2
>
> You wrote,
>
> > D. As opposed to the selfplex, all memes and memeplexes come
> > from the environment.
>
> << Not necessarily, like I said, take the solipsistic view and
meme(plexes)
> can
> start up from their own case, ex- hoypothesi.
> In that respect, we can say unconscient, and therefor we must assume that
> memes work in a solipsistic way. They start up from their own case just
for
> the purpose to propagate themselves further without regarding if the meme-
> tic lineage is good or bad for their host_that is you !!
>
> However, your unique selfplex is a result of memes acting solipsisticly,
> there-
> for, your unique selfplex is an illusion and you may think that you affect
> these
> memes but it is the other way round, these memes affect how you expe-
> rience yourself, that is indeed by modifying subjective emotion etc. >>
>
> You wrote,
> > E. The human mind is a massirve repository of memes and
> > memeplexes. They control, motivate, and drive the human to
> > activity for the sole purpose of replication, always consistent
> > with, and modified by, the individual's own selfplex.
>
> << Not necessarily consistent, people do strange things which are not
always
> reduceble to aspects of the selplex f. e I think at " declaring somebody
to
> be of unsound mind. " Committing murder in such circumstances is not con-
> sistent with somebody selfplex I think. By the way, there is always
> discussion
> possible...>>
>
>
> > Hi Ken,
> > I believe that this A-F comes a bit closer to what you have in mind.
> > My greatest problem is fitting in solipsistic viewpoints to
> > what I've so far written. Or, should we leave well enough alone
> > and get into the topic of solipism later in the paper? It would
> > first need your definition of solipism and then we could weave it into
> > the memetic points that we've already articulated.
> > What do you think?
>
> Len fitting in solipsistic viewpoints is not the problem I think, it is
quit
> easy...
> fit in an egoistic line of thinking in the way you think...place yourself
in
> the
> space which memes usually take, and see the world through their eyes.
> With the remark that yoy have to think for each selective meme(plex) sepe-
> rately, you have to think for each memetic lineage created. Not easy, I
can
> 't do it either...I am not a expert, but maby being an individualist helps
> me, I don 't
> know...
> The problem as I see it, is to determine a definition of solipsism in
> association
> with meme()(tics) between the both of us...
>
> Mine definition would be...solipsism is the conception wherein reality
> equals
> somebody 's own ( memetic) existence.
> I am not sure if that solves the problem...
> By the way, point G to L...I didn 't get to it...please wait....
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kenneth
>
> ( I ma, because we are)
>
>
> >
>
>
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