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> Subject: Part One --- Outline -- A-F revision one.
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> > Part One --- Outline -- A-F revision one.
> >
> > >
> > A. Memes represent units of information passed on, in some form of
> > communication, between two or more organisms/ brains. For
> > example, when we imitate another person, something is communicated
> > by him to us.
> Len, in addition to your revision here some comments which I think are
> useful.รน
> You wrote,
> << This 'something,' we call a meme, a unit of information,
> > which can then be transmitted endlessly to others, and by others,
> > in turn, to additional others. Thus, 'successful' memes may take on a
> > life of their own, through replication and propagation.
>
> This something is an unit of info, we don 't call it necesseraly a meme,
> though.
> Like I said before, emotions carry a lot of info, but wome wouldn 't call
> that
> memes.
> And endlessly !? You have to be careful here.
> Some time ago I started a thread called Point Of Memetic Saturation, which
> eventually ended up in a thread Gender Bias For Memes, but that is another
> story. Anyway,
> Point of memetic saturation there are two sides,
> First, a point of saturation as in our brains can take no more. Can we
> gentical
> evolve then furthere to host more memes !?
> In our solipsistc view, only our memes determine the outcome.
> IMHO, if memes would evolve further, in a solipsistic way that is, they
will
> evnetually dispose of our fleshy bodies. That is, technology would be so
far
> advanced that memes can propagate without needing a human brain to do so.
>
> Second, a point of saturation as in there are no ideas left to be " memed
> ".
> There are no ideas left to come up with_everything is said and done.
> In our solipsistc view that means that memes don 't evolve any further.
> That is, each meme(plex) is at the end of its own memetic lineage. New
> neural connections couldn 't be made due f. e. that our brain is too
small
> (see point 1, only our memes can determine the outcome.)
> On the other hand, if our brain is sophisticated enough, but our memes/
> thoughts/ etc don 't evolve any further, IMHO, we have to look then to our
> memes. In that case, we have to account for the possibility that memes
have
> some degree of " life ".
>
> > C. A characteristic of each human brain is a unique selfplex. The
> > selfplex is a a gestalt of memes, different for each human, that
> > permeates and colors his thoughts and experiences throughout his
> > lifetime. The origin of the selfplex is the individual's own 'hardwired'
> > inherited genome---50% from each parent.
>
> << In addition here, also partly (some) parental memetical aspects. <<
>
> End part 1
>
>
>
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