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Subject: Part One --- Outline -- A-F revision one.
> Part One --- Outline -- A-F revision one.
>
> >
> A. Memes represent units of information passed on, in some form of
> communication, between two or more organisms/ brains. For
> example, when we imitate another person, something is communicated
> by him to us.
Len, in addition to your revision here some comments which I think are
useful.รน
You wrote,
<< This 'something,' we call a meme, a unit of information,
> which can then be transmitted endlessly to others, and by others,
> in turn, to additional others. Thus, 'successful' memes may take on a
> life of their own, through replication and propagation.
This something is an unit of info, we don 't call it necesseraly a meme,
though.
Like I said before, emotions carry a lot of info, but wome wouldn 't call
that
memes.
And endlessly !? You have to be careful here.
Some time ago I started a thread called Point Of Memetic Saturation, which
eventually ended up in a thread Gender Bias For Memes, but that is another
story. Anyway,
Point of memetic saturation there are two sides,
First, a point of saturation as in our brains can take no more. Can we
gentical
evolve then furthere to host more memes !?
In our solipsistc view, only our memes determine the outcome.
IMHO, if memes would evolve further, in a solipsistic way that is, they will
evnetually dispose of our fleshy bodies. That is, technology would be so far
advanced that memes can propagate without needing a human brain to do so.
Second, a point of saturation as in there are no ideas left to be " memed
".
There are no ideas left to come up with_everything is said and done.
In our solipsistc view that means that memes don 't evolve any further.
That is, each meme(plex) is at the end of its own memetic lineage. New
neural connections couldn 't be made due f. e. that our brain is too small
(see point 1, only our memes can determine the outcome.)
On the other hand, if our brain is sophisticated enough, but our memes/
thoughts/ etc don 't evolve any further, IMHO, we have to look then to our
memes. In that case, we have to account for the possibility that memes have
some degree of " life ".
> C. A characteristic of each human brain is a unique selfplex. The
> selfplex is a a gestalt of memes, different for each human, that
> permeates and colors his thoughts and experiences throughout his
> lifetime. The origin of the selfplex is the individual's own 'hardwired'
> inherited genome---50% from each parent.
<< In addition here, also partly (some) parental memetical aspects. <<
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