Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id LAA04832 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:27:00 +0100 Message-ID: <000901bff494$6a38aea0$7a06bed4@default> From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> References: <200007221722.NAA28278@mail2.lig.bellsouth.net> <200007221908.PAA26363@mail2.lig.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Gender Bias For Memes Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:53:58 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Joe, you wrote,
> Then you are an exception to your own rule. Exceptions do not
> prove the rule, they probe its scope and range (Aristotle) by means
> of their status as exceptions. The reductionistic substitution of the
> simple for the actual has its memetic attraction; Occam's razor is
> as often violated by not accounting for all the data
> (oversimplification) as by adding unnecessary elements
> (overcomplication). Being and becoming, rest and motion,
> presence and absence, sameness-otherness, objects-relations,
> etc., many things fall into dualistic categorizations, but not all of
> them (the sign-signifier-signified structure is but one example of an
> irreduceable triad). Even object and relation are not equally
> apportioned, since one precedes by addition, and the other by
> Pascallian progression.
> One object - no relation.
<< I don 't want to be the pain...but it all comes down, again to how you
interpretate 'relation '.
In ART one object can have relation ,and that is to itself troughout the
space
and time where it stands...
In 1913 f.e. is was bon ton to let a piece of art speak for itself.
In the same period is was common that artists placed texts by their work,
in those writings they try to learn the viewer, the reader of the text how
to
look ' rightly ' at their work. In a sense give it a (one) 'relation '.
Of course those artists see their work as autonomous, as in principle
without
any further elucidation, without ' relation ' but in practice that is
complete different.
I don 't know if this give any clearity, but...
Regards,
Kenneth
(I am, because we are)
>Two objects, one
> relation. Three objects, three relations (1+2). Four objects, six
> relations (1=2=3). And so on, as Vonnegut says. Existence is
> much too complex to be squeezed into such a formulation, but
> those who try tend to fundamentalistically appeal to a "central fact"
> or relation, upon which EVERYTHING ELSE is (because it "must
> be") based.
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