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Hi Kenneth,
yes, these distinctions are covered at the websites but in a context of left
brain/right brain and so you need to be wary. For example you use the
action/language distinction. I understand what you mean but I think you may
need to expand on it. There is the 'man of few words' cliche that goes along
with this...as well as the concept of a 'chatter-box' often used describing
females...
Not sure about consensus as male and opportunism as female. Consensus means
an agreement and that is more female in that it is a term found in the space
in-between objects; relational space - more female. Aha -- yes of course,
the PROCESS of consensus making is female but once established so it becomes
an object and so male. Thus the term consensus has a development process
that follows the bind-bound-bond-blend where the initial phase is different
parties 'circling' each other, spiraling through spacetime. They contract
and move from a relational emphasis to becoming/establishing a whole in the
form of an agreed-upon term/phrase/ruling etc.
You have male linked to opportunism .. umm..yea..ok... if left to their own
devices the idea is not to get consensus as to get consensus to THEIR point
of view! Thus any perceived weakness in the other party is jumped-upon;
there is still present the drive to be number one. The female emphasis is
more on transformation, birth, where neither party 'wins' in that they all
'win'.
And 'general' as male? umm...maybe I am misinterpreting this but since the
emphasis in males is more overall on objects emphasis so there is a
favouring the particular and the local so:
MALE --- FEMALE
Local --- NON-local
Particular --- General
We CAN mix these distinctions due to the use of the method of recursive
dichotomisations (and you do mention this), but in general (!) we do see
these gender differences. (but see later comments re education etc.)
Perhaps in general/special you mean casual vs dressed-up? As in males wear
the same jeans, sneakers, underwear (black suits) for months and the females
dress differently everyday? :-)
I find the suicide perspective is interesting in that the male blows their
brains apart (very explicit, in your face) and the female takes a tablet and
'dissapears' (very implicit, quiet).
Reason as 'female'. Ok, in that it tries to get BEHIND things. In the
template the rationists are symbolised as 'female' in 'male', thus they try
to describe differences in the context/format of 'one' (sameness). Thus the
favouring of algorithms and formulas.
The instinct of the male is in the form of stimulus/response, no feedback in
that any type of a stimulus, regardless of degree, is met with the SAME
response, there is no recognition of DIFFERENCE. The female has this as well
but is also more discerning, she will look 'past' or 'behind' the stimulus.
determine the degree and so response is more discerning.
In teaching/training the idea is to (a) take the GENERAL stimulus/response
(S/R) and (b) REFINE it. Thus we move from general S/R to particular S/Rs
within the general. This teaching of discernment aids in giving us choice to
such a degree where it all becomes habit and we 'return' to S/R but now with
more choices. Martial Arts etc does this; by learning the Science of your
Art (and visa versa) so you have more choices in expression.
The male IS more single context and so more biased to 'react' without
thought of consequence; the male is more 'totalist', fundamentalist whereas
the female is more relativist, more context aware (and so more discerning).
The goal of education is to 'refine' our gene-derived skills and our present
system allows for the de-gendering of some of these seemingly
gender-specific skills.
Overall I have no problems with the list. you seem to have gotten the idea
re left/right, sameness/difference etc.
Best,
Chris.
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Chris Lofting
websites:
http://www.eisa.net.au/~lofting
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ddiamond
-----Original Message-----
From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf Of
Kenneth Van Oost
Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2000 2:15
To: memetics
Subject: Gender Bias For Memes
Vincent,
Take a look at this
Male Female
Sameness Difference
order change
single context ' fuzz the bounderies '
schizophrenia depression
suicide (guns) suicide attempt (poison)
action language
instinct raison
consensus opportunism
general special
dasein mitzein
Darwin ? Lamarck ?
(objects) (waves) relationships
genetc ? memetic ?
la nature naturelle ? la nature artificiel ?
from out these very general discriptions we can easily assume that the male/
female distinction has a solid bias to continu on !!
Although both categories are as well male as female oriented we can suppose
that on the ' original ' genetic/ memetic bias the discriptions are more
male/
more female processed and so the memes which evolved from this would too !?
What do you think !?
With thanks to Chris Lofting, I used some ideas...
regards,
Kenneth
(I am, because we are)
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