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From: Wesley Biggs <wbiggs@elite.com>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 12:46 AM
Subject: RE: point of memetic saturation
> Hello, Kenneth invited me to join this discussion, so I will, but with the
> disclaimer that I am just an interested party, not an expert on the topic.
>
> > Memes are making us create not only more and more outlets for meme
> > transmission (e.g. 3rd generation mobile phones), but also new
receptacles
> > for memes in artificial intelligence- although we are some way I assume
> from
> > achieving that.
>
> Very true. This points to the dependence of memes on genes. I don't
think
> memes can evolve without a host culture. Eco's "The Name of the Rose" is
a
> great novel about memes and the fragile interdependency between data and
> media. (I am a medium for my memes.)
>
> << Would you say that the world is becoming a ' Digital State ' !? Will
we
> one day wake up in a Meme World where the memes are the bodies of
> consciousness !? Have we then entered a new paradigm of evolution or is
> that just an ' idea ' of one ' meme ' letting us believe that !? >>
>
> Well, that would be a meta-meme describing the state of affairs. I think
> memes are the bodies of our consciousness already. Consider the amnesiac
> who is not "himself" until he can tell you who the president of the United
> States is. Civilization, almost by definition, is based on the relegation
> of genes to provide hosts for memes; a memetic legacy is much more
important
> than a genetic one (why else would anyone adopt children?)
<<Memetic legacy more important than a genetic one !?
How do you explain the memes of an authistic person !?
Where is the memetic legacy gone to, if an autistic person cna 't really
communicate with our world !? He is building his own world wherein
he propagates his own memes. Where/ what is the legay, the info which
we optain examing an authistic person !?
To the point of this discussion, in my point of view there is a point of
memetic saturation present in the world of the authistic.
Regards,
Kenneth
(I am, because we are)
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