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From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: point of memetic saturation
> Thanks for these comments. I'd not thought about Eco's book as about
> memetic before, very intersting. I shall go back and read it now (I
studied
> it as an undergraduate but was notoriously bad at finishing the
novels/plays
> I was supposed to read- I was too busy buying philosophy books).
>
> Very interesting point about artefacts found with or near burials. It's
as
> if the meaning of that person is invested in the symbolic value of their
> artefacts rather than something intrinsic of themselves. There's
evidently
> something memetic about the incease in size of funeral monuments in the
> ancient world, from simple burials, up to the pyramids.
<< True ! But, now where is the meaning of the person gone to these days !?
Our funeral rituals are quit simple, a picture upon the grave, a little
vase, here
and there what flowers,...even we cremate our dead.
Is the symbolic value of the dead somehow lost !?
What about the memes of these persons !? Yes, we do have opportunities to
remain those memes in books, on computerdisc, photos etc, but anyhow, these
are exceptions, not all our relatives finds a place in a book. If you are a
writer, ok, but where is all the symbolic value gone of the common people,
.....in our memories !?
Vincent, simple burials, up to the pyramids,...
Would you agree a lineair process is going here !?
Is the following line the same process !?
_a straight stick, a bow, a crossbow, a flashlight, a flare, V1-V2 bombs,
Apollo 11 and up to a spacecraft on its mission to Mars. The form of all
this things is quit the same, just the technology used is different.
The increase in size of funeral monuments can also be seen as a lineair
process of status_simple burial (a hole in the ground) for the homeless, a$
pyramid for the pfarao !?
Which memes propagated, technological ones, or those of the burial- rites,
or those how to build- a - pyramid- memes or memes accordingly how we
think about our dead !?
regards,
Kenneth
(I am, because we are )
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