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From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 12:12 PM
Subject: RE: point of memetic saturation
> Memes are making us create not only more and more outlets for meme
> transmission (e.g. 3rd generation mobile phones), but also new receptacles
> for memes in artificial intelligence- although we are some way I assume
from
> achieving that.
<< Would you say that the world is becoming a ' Digital State ' !? Will we
one day wake up in a Meme World where the memes are the bodies of
consciousness !? Have we then entered a new paradigm of evolution or is
that just an ' idea ' of one ' meme ' letting us believe that !? >>
> As to whether memes would survive humanity disappearing, well I think
there
> is that possiblity. As I've said before, there are long dead
civilisations
> that are studied through their artifacts, especially their writing. If
> humans died out leaving some kind of artifacts behind them then memes
could
> still survive, although it would be a long shot (given that the recipients
> of dead human memes would have to be alien visitors happening upon Earth).
<< Why a long shot !? The truth ' is closer then you think ! If we ever
enter
that new kind of evolution, that is the time we let all of the memes ' loose
', that is de facto a new kind of life, memes will surely care for
themselves !!
I do not know any meme which is ' loose ' at the time, but I will look for
it,
that 's for sure !! >>
> I think in principle though, once you have representation systems
> independent of the human body, then memes can persist.
<< Would we ever be able to communicate with them, in the understanding
that they are completely independent of the human body. The implications
of that idea comes close to what I have in mind of what ' Memetical Beings
'
could be like.>>
Many regards,
Kenneth
(I am, because we are )
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