From: Van oost Kenneth (kennethvanoost@belgacom.net)
Date: Tue 17 Jun 2003 - 19:21:48 GMT
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From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
June 12,
> Sure, we learn through experience, but this is not to deny the internal,
> cognitive character of the learning and the knowing; BOTH the between
> and the within are necessary and essential, and Wade's between-only
> half-model simply cannot pass the second half of Occam's Razor
> (explaining all the present phenomena, such as our ability to encode
> the selfsame meme in vastly differing performances).
Joe, Wade,
Yes, but in Wade' s scheme both the internal and the external are of
importance_ it is just that the brain and its functions is part of what you
stipulate as the ' external '.
We don 't deny the internal funcional process of the brain/ mind_ we
just don 't see the process ( of what is going on in there) as a particular
condition of memes. The info of where with the brain has to function,
besides its own natural specifics, must be induced upon it !
It is up to the cultural/ social venue within which you were born that
will induce the selfsame meme upon you_ your birthday is been
' remerbered ' by that one card, that one special gift, that day at the
races, etc..each time you look at it, play with it, or go back to the
stables all of these are ' reasons ' by which you will remerber your
birthday.
There are 1000 and 1000 such reasons, constantly inducing their
info within your culture, all the time, day and night...it is the con-
tinuance of the inducement that makes that you ' remerber ' all
the time yours, can remerber your birthday...at will...but that ain 't
true...the constant inducement of performances, expected to
happen ( ways of remerbering birthdays) makes up the conti-
nuance of remerbering...there ain 't one moment in the time/
space of the cultural venue that a way by which you will
remerber your birthday ain 't performed. Of some you aren 't
aware, that gift giving to the neighbours son is not your way
to remerber yours, but that Playmobil- kit where that boy
across the street is playing with right now is...and you will
' remerber ' your birthday...at will !? Probably !?
It is in a way, not our ability to encode the selfsame meme
in vastly differing performances...it is the cultural venue
that does the work...we just ' recognize ' the performance
which fits best with the specific venue within which I was
born...with its own specific parameters, mathematics and
logic. What you will recognize I do not and vice versa.
What you will observe I can not due to the difference of
cultural/ social venue.
My main objection, what a word...with Wade's scheme
so far, is the fact of solipsism...due to our uniqueness,
as well genetic and as well memetic, I am still in hazzard
with the individualistic- bit.
I won 't be backsliding Wade, that 's for sure, but I keep
on wondering about the effects of the cultural venue upon
the individual...no matter how far you turn the clock back,
' we ' observe as individuals each performance, each artifact
differently, it may be close, but not exact, it is not the same,
not even self- same as you did claim, but what we in the end
observe is ours !
The mind is one of the agents, yes...but the mind has its own
uniqueness over and over again, no perception of any per-
formance if the self- same in any observing mind...so, do
we talk here about a " solipsistic " aspect or not.....!?
I am puzzled by this....
Regards to you both though,
Kenneth
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