From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu 12 Jun 2003 - 19:21:51 GMT
From: "Van oost Kenneth"
<kennethvanoost@belgacom.net>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: birthdays
Date sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:15:48 +0200
Send reply to: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
> June 9,
> Knowing = being able to remember. If you cannot remember something
> any more, you no longer know it; you have forgotten it. June 12, >
> What makes one's birthdate cognitively 'ready-to-hand' is nothing more
> > nor less than the fact that it is part of one's self-concept and
> self- > identity, just like one's name and birthtown are.
>
> Yes, according to the nowadays applied standards it is, but we don 't
> know exactly how the brain/ mind works, what memory is and what
> memories are for ! Like I wrote to Wade, all can be just elegant
> workings of a brain, no more and no less !
>
> The memory agent, what thus induced the memory in the first place, is
> the venue in its capacity to induce performances to be expected
> performed. The venue supplies the approiate conditions and parameters
> and long gone experiences so that the ' performer ' and you the '
> obser- ver ' perform performances as they were expected by the venue.
>
> Its up to performer, within his own creative mood, to perform such a
> performance that you ' remerber ' it the next time your birthday comes
> along. Your name and your hometown are in the same man- ner induced
> upon you, part of your self- concept and self- identity indeed but
> still part of the venue- inducement which needs those to induce
> certain performances.
>
> Self- concept and self- identity are results of a performance-
> process, as being part of the definite venue that expects performances
> to be performed within the context of the self- concept and self-
> identity. It is within the dynamic of the venue that we ought to
> search for the matter of the cognitive gestalt. The cognitive gestalt
> is part of how the venue induces performances.
>
> Regards,
>
Sure, we learn through experience, but this is not to deny the internal,
cognitive character of the learning and the knowing; BOTH the between
and the within are necessary and essential, and Wade's between-only
half-model simply cannot pass the second half of Occam's Razor
(explaining all the present phenomena, such as our ability to encode
the selfsame meme in vastly differing performances).
>
> Kenneth
>
>
> ===============================================================
> This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
> Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
> For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
> see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
>
===============================================================
This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.5 : Thu 12 Jun 2003 - 19:29:13 GMT