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anyone know a reference to this 'connections' book that Chuck has alluded
to?
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> Of Chuck
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> Robin Faichney wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, Vincent Campbell wrote:
> > >I saw the programme.
> > >
> > >I was particularly interested in two things, first the comment
> about the
> > >British midlands being called the Black country, and rituals
> and dress sense
> > >becoming heavily imbued with black in the late 18th and 19th century,
> > >because of the dark satanic mills, and the mass use of coke.
> >
> > I found it particularly interesting that large scale iron
> founding took off
> > with the switch from coal to coke -- a move that could not
> possibly be put
> > down to resource depletion!
>
> Robin - I'm afraid you are again afflicted with willful tunnel
> vision. Like I
> said, you have to see how ALL the technology richochets. To begin
> to understand
> you should probably read the Connections book (I forget the
> author). I have never
> read it, but I understand that he has a good sense of how one
> invention ricochets
> into the entire web of technology.
>
> As for cotton, I don't know the subject at all. But in any case,
> you are again
> rushing to judgement. It would be best to investigate just why
> the demand was up
> for cotton. I remember something about it's being a superior product for
> clothing, but I can't remember why right now.
>
> Finally, given your penchant for wanting to abstract out just a
> few factors that
> will narrowly predict a few events won't do if you want to really
> investigate how
> the initial change in a resource base ricochets. There are
> literally thousands of
> interrelated connections. No - I'm not doing to detail them for
> you because I
> don't have time and there is probably plenty of literature out
> there on it.
>
> > Likewise the development of the cotton and china
> > industries. People began to realise that big bucks could be
> made by finding
> > more efficient ways to do things. Those who insist that
> cultural developments
> > have to be reactive rather than proactive will never get the
> big picture.
> >
> > --
> > Robin Faichney
> >
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