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James Burke, Connections; Also, The Day the Universe Changed by him.
havelock wrote:
> anyone know a reference to this 'connections' book that Chuck has alluded
> to?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> > Of Chuck
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 9:53 AM
> > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Subject: Re: Jabbering !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Robin Faichney wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, Vincent Campbell wrote:
> > > >I saw the programme.
> > > >
> > > >I was particularly interested in two things, first the comment
> > about the
> > > >British midlands being called the Black country, and rituals
> > and dress sense
> > > >becoming heavily imbued with black in the late 18th and 19th century,
> > > >because of the dark satanic mills, and the mass use of coke.
> > >
> > > I found it particularly interesting that large scale iron
> > founding took off
> > > with the switch from coal to coke -- a move that could not
> > possibly be put
> > > down to resource depletion!
> >
> > Robin - I'm afraid you are again afflicted with willful tunnel
> > vision. Like I
> > said, you have to see how ALL the technology richochets. To begin
> > to understand
> > you should probably read the Connections book (I forget the
> > author). I have never
> > read it, but I understand that he has a good sense of how one
> > invention ricochets
> > into the entire web of technology.
> >
> > As for cotton, I don't know the subject at all. But in any case,
> > you are again
> > rushing to judgement. It would be best to investigate just why
> > the demand was up
> > for cotton. I remember something about it's being a superior product for
> > clothing, but I can't remember why right now.
> >
> > Finally, given your penchant for wanting to abstract out just a
> > few factors that
> > will narrowly predict a few events won't do if you want to really
> > investigate how
> > the initial change in a resource base ricochets. There are
> > literally thousands of
> > interrelated connections. No - I'm not doing to detail them for
> > you because I
> > don't have time and there is probably plenty of literature out
> > there on it.
> >
> > > Likewise the development of the cotton and china
> > > industries. People began to realise that big bucks could be
> > made by finding
> > > more efficient ways to do things. Those who insist that
> > cultural developments
> > > have to be reactive rather than proactive will never get the
> > big picture.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Robin Faichney
> > >
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