From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun 09 Mar 2003 - 20:52:12 GMT
> I agree that memes have been engineered by advertising and
> governments. what I am proposing is that we use memetic engineering
> for peaceful means to stop war and save lives. I think that this is a
> much more noble cause than selling underwear or cola.
>
Stopping this war would COST many more lives than pursuing it would.
Not pursuing it 12 years ago has already cost a the lives of nearly a
million Iraqis.
>
> *Peace*
> Bryan Thompson
> Living Proof - Berkley paperback - March 2003
> Government secrets/biological weapons/human subjects
> http://www.peterjthompson.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy Bradley" <jeremyb@nor.com.au>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Memes For Peace
>
>
> > At 09:53 PM 9/03/03 +1100, Bruce wrote:
> > Snip......................
> > While I tend to agree with Joe on the humanitarian aspect of the
> > Iraq situation, there are other issues implicit in the wording of
> > Bryan's post which cause concern. The least not being the concept
> > of "memetic engineering", which I think is an oxymoron. Even the
> > opposing forces within the memetics definition debate agree that a
> > meme is a cultural
> unit.
> > Is not culture the conglomerate of inherited ideas, beliefs, values
> > and
> > knowledge? Have not all attempts to overtly "engineer" culture
> > failed?
> >
> >
> > Jeremy's reply:
> > I don't think so Bruce, hasn't Hollywood been active in the
> > production of memes which reach out across the globe? Is this not
> > memetic engineering? When I was living with an Indigenous Australian
> > group which had not had a lot of outside contact, the change in
> > children's behaviour was observable when they got a VCR and started
> > watching USAnian crap. For me, memetic engineering is akin to
> > propaganda, but it operates at a more subtle level. If we look at
> > the Nazi regime's manipulation of art and theatre, we can
> see
> > this effect, and, dare I say, it is observable in poor Joe's foaming
> > at
> the
> > mouth replies to any critique of his beloved USAnia's war on Islam.
> > Making war to create peace is an oxymoron and can never work. War,
> > especially such a one sided war, will perpetuate violence and only
> > profit arms dealers. Sorry to be lurking for so long all. And Joe,
> > don't worry, I am far too busy to reply too much at the moment as I
> > am running an election campaign. But, to quote a great USanian
> > memetic construct, I'll be back. Jeremy the do-gooder
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeremy Bradley - The Greens' Candidate in Oxley
> > 3200 Oxley Hwy Wauchope 2446
> > Phone:02 65856652 or 02 65856134
> > Mobile: 0428 856134
> > E-mail: jeremyb@nor.com.au
> >
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