Re: Memes For Peace-at-any-Price

From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun 09 Mar 2003 - 20:52:12 GMT

  • Next message: Bruce Howlett: "Re: Memes For Peace"

    > I agree that memes have been engineered by advertising and
    > governments. what I am proposing is that we use memetic engineering
    > for peaceful means to stop war and save lives. I think that this is a
    > much more noble cause than selling underwear or cola.
    >
    Stopping this war would COST many more lives than pursuing it would. Not pursuing it 12 years ago has already cost a the lives of nearly a million Iraqis.
    >
    > *Peace*
    > Bryan Thompson
    > Living Proof - Berkley paperback - March 2003
    > Government secrets/biological weapons/human subjects
    > http://www.peterjthompson.net
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Jeremy Bradley" <jeremyb@nor.com.au>
    > To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
    > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:21 PM
    > Subject: Re: Memes For Peace
    >
    >
    > > At 09:53 PM 9/03/03 +1100, Bruce wrote:
    > > Snip......................
    > > While I tend to agree with Joe on the humanitarian aspect of the
    > > Iraq situation, there are other issues implicit in the wording of
    > > Bryan's post which cause concern. The least not being the concept
    > > of "memetic engineering", which I think is an oxymoron. Even the
    > > opposing forces within the memetics definition debate agree that a
    > > meme is a cultural
    > unit.
    > > Is not culture the conglomerate of inherited ideas, beliefs, values
    > > and
    > > knowledge? Have not all attempts to overtly "engineer" culture
    > > failed?
    > >
    > >
    > > Jeremy's reply:
    > > I don't think so Bruce, hasn't Hollywood been active in the
    > > production of memes which reach out across the globe? Is this not
    > > memetic engineering? When I was living with an Indigenous Australian
    > > group which had not had a lot of outside contact, the change in
    > > children's behaviour was observable when they got a VCR and started
    > > watching USAnian crap. For me, memetic engineering is akin to
    > > propaganda, but it operates at a more subtle level. If we look at
    > > the Nazi regime's manipulation of art and theatre, we can
    > see
    > > this effect, and, dare I say, it is observable in poor Joe's foaming
    > > at
    > the
    > > mouth replies to any critique of his beloved USAnia's war on Islam.
    > > Making war to create peace is an oxymoron and can never work. War,
    > > especially such a one sided war, will perpetuate violence and only
    > > profit arms dealers. Sorry to be lurking for so long all. And Joe,
    > > don't worry, I am far too busy to reply too much at the moment as I
    > > am running an election campaign. But, to quote a great USanian
    > > memetic construct, I'll be back. Jeremy the do-gooder
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Jeremy Bradley - The Greens' Candidate in Oxley
    > > 3200 Oxley Hwy Wauchope 2446
    > > Phone:02 65856652 or 02 65856134
    > > Mobile: 0428 856134
    > > E-mail: jeremyb@nor.com.au
    > >
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