Re: Memes For Peace-at-any-Price

From: Bryan Thompson (baronvonbryan@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon 10 Mar 2003 - 00:37:35 GMT

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    might I remind you that almost all of those deaths have been caused by US economic sanctions that do not allow iraq to purchase items such as chlorine to treat water or anti biotics. this has caused the death of more than 400,000 iraqi children alone in the past 12 years.

    *Peace* Bryan Thompson Living Proof - Berkley paperback - March 2003 Government secrets/biological weapons/human subjects http://www.peterjthompson.net

    ----- Original Message ----- From: <joedees@bellsouth.net> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: Re: Memes For Peace-at-any-Price

    > > I agree that memes have been engineered by advertising and
    > > governments. what I am proposing is that we use memetic engineering
    > > for peaceful means to stop war and save lives. I think that this is a
    > > much more noble cause than selling underwear or cola.
    > >
    > Stopping this war would COST many more lives than pursuing it would.
    > Not pursuing it 12 years ago has already cost a the lives of nearly a
    > million Iraqis.
    > >
    > > *Peace*
    > > Bryan Thompson
    > > Living Proof - Berkley paperback - March 2003
    > > Government secrets/biological weapons/human subjects
    > > http://www.peterjthompson.net
    > >
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Jeremy Bradley" <jeremyb@nor.com.au>
    > > To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
    > > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:21 PM
    > > Subject: Re: Memes For Peace
    > >
    > >
    > > > At 09:53 PM 9/03/03 +1100, Bruce wrote:
    > > > Snip......................
    > > > While I tend to agree with Joe on the humanitarian aspect of the
    > > > Iraq situation, there are other issues implicit in the wording of
    > > > Bryan's post which cause concern. The least not being the concept
    > > > of "memetic engineering", which I think is an oxymoron. Even the
    > > > opposing forces within the memetics definition debate agree that a
    > > > meme is a cultural
    > > unit.
    > > > Is not culture the conglomerate of inherited ideas, beliefs, values
    > > > and
    > > > knowledge? Have not all attempts to overtly "engineer" culture
    > > > failed?
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Jeremy's reply:
    > > > I don't think so Bruce, hasn't Hollywood been active in the
    > > > production of memes which reach out across the globe? Is this not
    > > > memetic engineering? When I was living with an Indigenous Australian
    > > > group which had not had a lot of outside contact, the change in
    > > > children's behaviour was observable when they got a VCR and started
    > > > watching USAnian crap. For me, memetic engineering is akin to
    > > > propaganda, but it operates at a more subtle level. If we look at
    > > > the Nazi regime's manipulation of art and theatre, we can
    > > see
    > > > this effect, and, dare I say, it is observable in poor Joe's foaming
    > > > at
    > > the
    > > > mouth replies to any critique of his beloved USAnia's war on Islam.
    > > > Making war to create peace is an oxymoron and can never work. War,
    > > > especially such a one sided war, will perpetuate violence and only
    > > > profit arms dealers. Sorry to be lurking for so long all. And Joe,
    > > > don't worry, I am far too busy to reply too much at the moment as I
    > > > am running an election campaign. But, to quote a great USanian
    > > > memetic construct, I'll be back. Jeremy the do-gooder
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Jeremy Bradley - The Greens' Candidate in Oxley
    > > > 3200 Oxley Hwy Wauchope 2446
    > > > Phone:02 65856652 or 02 65856134
    > > > Mobile: 0428 856134
    > > > E-mail: jeremyb@nor.com.au
    > > >
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