Re: Memes For Peace

From: Bryan Thompson (baronvonbryan@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun 09 Mar 2003 - 20:25:08 GMT

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    I agree that memes have been engineered by advertising and governments. what I am proposing is that we use memetic engineering for peaceful means to stop war and save lives. I think that this is a much more noble cause than selling underwear or cola.

    *Peace* Bryan Thompson Living Proof - Berkley paperback - March 2003 Government secrets/biological weapons/human subjects http://www.peterjthompson.net

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Bradley" <jeremyb@nor.com.au> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Memes For Peace

    > At 09:53 PM 9/03/03 +1100, Bruce wrote:
    > Snip......................
    > While I tend to agree with Joe on the humanitarian aspect of the Iraq
    > situation, there are other issues implicit in the wording of Bryan's post
    > which cause concern. The least not being the concept of "memetic
    > engineering", which I think is an oxymoron. Even the opposing forces
    > within the memetics definition debate agree that a meme is a cultural
    unit.
    > Is not culture the conglomerate of inherited ideas, beliefs, values and
    > knowledge? Have not all attempts to overtly "engineer" culture failed?
    >
    >
    > Jeremy's reply:
    > I don't think so Bruce, hasn't Hollywood been active in the production of
    > memes which reach out across the globe? Is this not memetic engineering?
    > When I was living with an Indigenous Australian group which had not had a
    > lot of outside contact, the change in children's behaviour was observable
    > when they got a VCR and started watching USAnian crap.
    > For me, memetic engineering is akin to propaganda, but it operates at a
    > more subtle level.
    > If we look at the Nazi regime's manipulation of art and theatre, we can
    see
    > this effect, and, dare I say, it is observable in poor Joe's foaming at
    the
    > mouth replies to any critique of his beloved USAnia's war on Islam.
    > Making war to create peace is an oxymoron and can never work. War,
    > especially such a one sided war, will perpetuate violence and only profit
    > arms dealers.
    > Sorry to be lurking for so long all. And Joe, don't worry, I am far too
    > busy to reply too much at the moment as I am running an election campaign.
    > But, to quote a great USanian memetic construct, I'll be back.
    > Jeremy the do-gooder
    >
    >
    >
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