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----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Jones <BruceJ@nwths.com>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 10:51 PM
Subject: RE: Jabbering !
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kenneth Van Oost [SMTP:Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be]
> > Subject: Re: Jabbering !
> >
> > " language can be described as some kind of collective invention "
> > An examination of the facts would give indeed a strange picture.For
change
> > there had to be actor, an action and a goal.
> > This leads to the suggestion that not one memeplex but three memeplexes
> > were involved ! Does this means that the concept of memetics was then
> > already in place !?
> [BJ]
> Why three?
<< Maybe I explained it to hasty.
I mean, for change you need those three memeplexes,
actor:- a human being
action:- with a rock smashing up another rock
goal:- to get pieces of rock to make spearheads
With those three of course other memeplexes evolved, but I think there
were no more memeplexes involved to get spearheads from a rock.
Which, if they are others, are you refering to !?
Like you said, memes before genes, indeed_first the memes for the genetical
concept of the actor; the memes for the action and the memes for the goal,
than the memes for the genetical concept of language (which includes the
memes for the vocal cords;throat; longs; larynx; trachea_ to make speak
possible.
Of course, the earlier particular sequence of sounds let us understand that
people waaaay back " talked " but I think is was more than roaring.
Regards,
Kenneth
(I am, because we are)
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