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Vincent Campbell wrote:
> Absolutely. The point of propaganda is to get someone to believe something
> or act in some way that wouldn't otherwise believe or do. How is that
> utility for the intended victim? (Manchurian Candidate anyone?).
As I said, there has to be some real value offered along with the package. By
the way, I'm not saying there aren't mistakes. Living in society demands the
development of good cheating detecters, and there is a kind of arms race that
develops around abilities to detect cheaters. The net effect is the constant
development of detectors, otherwise. If that didn't happen over time,
cooperation would become impossible. That is the argument of Pinker and others,
and it makes sense to me.
>
>
> > ----------
> > From: Robin Faichney
> > Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 8:50 am
> > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
> >
> > Chuck wrote:
> > >Robin Faichney wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Is "propagandistic value" the same as, or different from, "usefulness"?
> > >>
> > >The best person to ask that is your local politician. Far be it for me to
> > be so
> > >pretentious as to know the answer.
> >
> > Propaganda is obviously of use to the propagandist, but surely your
> > model says that a meme won't be picked up unless it is of use to the
> > recipient -- in which case, what is propaganda?
> >
> > --
> > Robin Faichney
> >
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