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Vincent Campbell wrote:
> The kind of cohesion that led to the concentration camps?
It applies to any group, even concentration camps. Be careful on concentration
camp behavior, though. There are lots of myths about it, like Bettleheim's
notions which have lately been discredited.
>
>
> I'd agree propaganda has become entirely tainted with notions of negativity,
> but one of the interesting questions is whether pro-social propaganda is
> really what public relations is (I teach on an MSc in PR and we constantly
> have these debates about the relationship between PR and propaganda).
>
> > ----------
> > From: Tyger
> > Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 2:45 am
> > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> > Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
> >
> > Propaganda can be seen as very usefull, not only to the propagandist but
> > to
> > the culture and society in which it operates. propaganda (without value
> > associated) I see as an attribute of the emergent property of groups. its
> > main purpose (which is different then the intended purpose of the said
> > propagandist) is the cohesion it creates in a given culture. hence its
> > usefulness. memes are the discreet entities of propaganda, but its
> > understanding should be on the meta-system level.
> > thus propaganda works because it is a glue, cohesive force.
> > its use to the recipient: giving or creating the feeling (or illusionary
> > feeling) of being part of a/the group.
> >
> > Tyger
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robin Faichney" <robin@faichney.demon.co.uk>
> > To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
> >
> >
> > > Chuck wrote:
> > > >Robin Faichney wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Is "propagandistic value" the same as, or different from,
> > "usefulness"?
> > > >>
> > > >The best person to ask that is your local politician. Far be it for me
> > to
> > be so
> > > >pretentious as to know the answer.
> > >
> > > Propaganda is obviously of use to the propagandist, but surely your
> > > model says that a meme won't be picked up unless it is of use to the
> > > recipient -- in which case, what is propaganda?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Robin Faichney
> > >
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