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The kind of cohesion that led to the concentration camps?
I'd agree propaganda has become entirely tainted with notions of negativity,
but one of the interesting questions is whether pro-social propaganda is
really what public relations is (I teach on an MSc in PR and we constantly
have these debates about the relationship between PR and propaganda).
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> From: Tyger
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> Propaganda can be seen as very usefull, not only to the propagandist but
> to
> the culture and society in which it operates. propaganda (without value
> associated) I see as an attribute of the emergent property of groups. its
> main purpose (which is different then the intended purpose of the said
> propagandist) is the cohesion it creates in a given culture. hence its
> usefulness. memes are the discreet entities of propaganda, but its
> understanding should be on the meta-system level.
> thus propaganda works because it is a glue, cohesive force.
> its use to the recipient: giving or creating the feeling (or illusionary
> feeling) of being part of a/the group.
>
> Tyger
>
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> From: "Robin Faichney" <robin@faichney.demon.co.uk>
> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: a memetic experiment- an eIe opener
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>
> > Chuck wrote:
> > >Robin Faichney wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Is "propagandistic value" the same as, or different from,
> "usefulness"?
> > >>
> > >The best person to ask that is your local politician. Far be it for me
> to
> be so
> > >pretentious as to know the answer.
> >
> > Propaganda is obviously of use to the propagandist, but surely your
> > model says that a meme won't be picked up unless it is of use to the
> > recipient -- in which case, what is propaganda?
> >
> > --
> > Robin Faichney
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