Re: Fwd: Did language drive society or vice versa?

From: Chuck Palson (cpalson@mediaone.net)
Date: Wed May 10 2000 - 10:32:39 BST

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    Robin Faichney wrote:

    > Chuck:
    > >I am sure that Wilson at least would definitely not agree with this statement,
    > >nor would a lot of other students of evolution. The gross application of
    > >statistics that allows people to come up with the "anything is possible" is
    > >usually just a conceptual stopgap. For example, species usually only last a
    > >maximum of x million years (I think it's an average of about 7 million, but I
    > >can't recall for sure), so the time period itself is not infinite.
    >
    > Why should an infinite time period be required? I did say "almost anything".
    > We're not talking water-into-wine here.
    >

    I should not have used the word infinite, but simply a very long time to develop a
    complex creature.

    >
    > > This kind of
    > >anything-can-happen statistical scenario has been used to project an x
    > >probability that there is intelligent life in the universe that is within our
    > >sensing range. That seemed quite reasonable - except that someone recently
    > >noticed that there are vast areas of the universe where there are no planets
    > >that could have deveoped complex species because meteor showers continually
    > >interrupt the possibility. The earth just happens to exist behind some big
    > >planets that suck in the meteors before most get here.
    >
    > That's an entirely different argument, and has no bearing here.
    >

    Yes, no direct bearing. I referred to it as an example of how statistical arguments
    are often excuses to not dig into a subject.

    >
    > >If you had suggested a year ago your same logic, I might have agreed (although I
    > >was always a bit suspicious of the argument). But when I thought about all the
    > >improbable events that had to happen to actually create the human species in a
    > >specified and relatively short period of time like 7 million years, I found
    > >myself in agreement with Jay Gould and others who say that evolution is not an
    > >all-things-are-possible proposition. I do wish that God had been more orderly,
    > >but I guess he has to do what he has to do.:)

    > So you're a creationist?

    No. I am not saying things come of nothing, only that the results are unpredictable.

    >
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    > Robin Faichney
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