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From: Robin Faichney <robin@faichney.demon.co.uk>
Organization: Reborn Technology
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: Re: What are memes made of?
Date sent: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:35:09 +0000
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> On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Joe E. Dees wrote:
> >>
> >Without communication, there can be no memetics, for it is by
> >means of communication that memes replicate. What is
> >necessary for communication is necessary for memetics.
> >Memetic multiplication is effected by means of dissemination,
> >which is communication to multiple receivers.
>
> My point is this: given all the existing concepts, such as meaning, and the
> whole semiotic toolbag, what purpose does the meme concept serve? What place is
> there for a "selfish" replicator in a world of consciously communicating
> individual minds? I thought memetics was an alternative scenario. Otherwise,
> why bother with memes at all?
>
Memes originally blindly evolved to be "selfish" in an intentional and
signifying cognitive environment, although pretty quickly doctrines
and dogmas permeable to the common mind were being
consciously created and proselytized, by priests and politicians
and advertizers. Memetics give us the evolutionary and
dynamically flowing view of the signification and intention based
message creation, dissemination, mutation and reception which is
starkly absent in the static structural snapshot which comprises
semiotics. This is about the third time I have answered this
question, always with the same answer.
> --
> Robin Faichney
>
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