Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id QAA04729 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:04:14 GMT From: Robin Faichney <robin@faichney.demon.co.uk> Organization: Reborn Technology To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: What are memes made of? Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:54:29 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <200003012135.QAA17816@mail2.lig.bellsouth.net> Message-Id: <00030215582600.03748@faichney> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
On Wed, 01 Mar 2000, Joe E. Dees wrote:
>From: Robin Faichney <robin@faichney.demon.co.uk>
>Organization: Reborn Technology
>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: What are memes made of?
>Date sent: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:35:09 +0000
>Send reply to: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Joe E. Dees wrote:
>> >>
>> >Without communication, there can be no memetics, for it is by
>> >means of communication that memes replicate. What is
>> >necessary for communication is necessary for memetics.
>> >Memetic multiplication is effected by means of dissemination,
>> >which is communication to multiple receivers.
>>
>> My point is this: given all the existing concepts, such as meaning, and the
>> whole semiotic toolbag, what purpose does the meme concept serve? What place is
>> there for a "selfish" replicator in a world of consciously communicating
>> individual minds? I thought memetics was an alternative scenario. Otherwise,
>> why bother with memes at all?
>>
>Memes originally blindly evolved to be "selfish" in an intentional and
>signifying cognitive environment, although pretty quickly doctrines
>and dogmas permeable to the common mind were being
>consciously created and proselytized, by priests and politicians
>and advertizers. Memetics give us the evolutionary and
>dynamically flowing view of the signification and intention based
>message creation, dissemination, mutation and reception which is
>starkly absent in the static structural snapshot which comprises
>semiotics. This is about the third time I have answered this
>question, always with the same answer.
Is it my fault if you respond to the same paragraph twice? :-)
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