Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id AAA27391 (8.6.9/5.3[ref pg@gmsl.co.uk] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk); Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:25:54 GMT Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:21:35 -0800 Message-Id: <200201260021.g0Q0LZb20112@mail15.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [65.80.160.204] From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Subject: Re: necessity of mental memes Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> "Dace" <edace@earthlink.net> <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Re: necessity of mental memesDate: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:13:43 -0800
>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
>
>From: Joe Dees
>
>>>You know, one thing about this speed of light thing and traveling through
>>>the galaxy has always puzzled me. In literature on modern cosmology I
>>>keep reading that the universe is around 15 billion years old since the
>>>big bang from which everything started. We now have telescopes that
>>>can bring in light that left galaxies some 12 to 15 billion years ago.
>So,
>>>if the big bang started us all out from the same point at the same time,
>>>and nothing can travel faster than light, how did we get here first to
>>>receive that light? It's a puzzlement.
>>>
>>>Grant
>>>
>> The light expanded both utward and inward in the hypersphere, which has
>similar properties as a 3-d sphere (actually 4-d - 3 spatial plus 1
>temporal), but in different planes. For instance, if you travel in one
>direction on the curved surface of a sphere, you will end up where you
>started after circumnavigating it. In a hypersphere, whichever direction
>you travel in its space, you will eventually not reach the edge, but arrive
>at the point you left after traveling a distance equivalent to the width of
>the sphere (due to spacetime curvature). Thus, no matter from where you
>look, to look out in space is to look backward in time, for the deeper you
>look, the farther the light from what you see had to go to get to you.
>Light generated by the Big Bang - which was everywhere in the universe at
>the moment of bangage - has to travel the longest distance.
>>>>
>
>Just one problem here. The big bang was pitch black. Light didn't appear
>until 300,000 years after the big bang (which was both infinitesimal and
>dead silent). The universe was completely dark until the primordial
>substance divided into matter and radiation. Atoms and light emerged
>simultaneously.
>
Extremely wrong; radialt energy proliferated throughout the universe long before any coalescence into stomic structure occurred (I believe someone else has provided you with a reference on this).
>
>Ted
>
>
>
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